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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:00 am 
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Selim wrote:
You're all a pack of cunts. Nobody's getting free anything, especially not Austria or Burgundy. And there's no way in hell Bohemia is being abandoned and handed to the two of you on a silver platter without even having to do anything.


Yeah, because I've been asking for free stuff pretty much non stop and really really really want the game edited and shit. What a cunt I am.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:52 am 
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Vincent Death wrote:
Selim wrote:
You're all a pack of cunts. Nobody's getting free anything, especially not Austria or Burgundy. And there's no way in hell Bohemia is being abandoned and handed to the two of you on a silver platter without even having to do anything.


Yeah, because I've been asking for free stuff pretty much non stop and really really really want the game edited and shit. What a cunt I am.


Sorry was that a sly dig at me?

Come on people, you do all remember what having a bit of fun used to be like :/ its a GAME


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:49 am 
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First time I have been able to get on the forums in ages, I just want to say I know what I was doing but didnt realise BB had such a bad impact on Stab cost, but tbh I am not bothered with my revolt risk etc , I created a barrier of vassals to protect myself intentionally, and I see Bohemia had the same idea.

I am in favour of rewarding AARs, whatever that may be, but this out of game editing stuff just seems poor form, either try salvage it in game or switch countries. Having said that if he gets edited for Infamy then we all do imho . I tried something different with Ottomans due to my being impatient, it might work but if it doesnt I should cope or switch.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:07 am 
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RE: Bohemia.

Ok, first up is the stats site is incorrect on Bohemia's stab cost. It is actually around 2000. After switching out his shitty MoM advisors for artists Bohemia gains 1 stab every 2 years or so (which will presumably speed up as his income increases). In Bohemia's cored provinces right now his RR is about 10%. Going from stab -2 to stab 3 reduces that to 5%. Ruler death + the resulting legitamacy boost will reduce it to 0% or less.

So, AS I HAVE BEEN SAYING, Bohemia is not screwed at all. It will take time for it to recover stab but despite skrit's sky high infamy he will still have an economy in his cored provinces. All he needs is an army to crush rebel stacks in his conquered provinces. If I were in skrit's position I would stick with Bohemia just cause you've already taken enough saxon provinces to make the culture shift so imo you should just wait it out and consolidate your position until you lose the peasent war and shit.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:52 am 
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I am also perfectly willing to send a stack into Bohemia and Muscovy to to help kill rebels as long as I can secure access from npc, and will endeavor to hit Lithuania and Golden Horde asap (in regency).


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:05 am 
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DrunkenOne wrote:
btw on another note, who is toxic going to play as? I'm guessing switching to Denmark? Obv it was his plan all along to ruin sweden in session 1 and take over as Denmark, brilliant as always toxic.


Uh, errr.. yes! sure!

I work in mysterious, but brilliant, ways like that :D


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:38 am 
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Austria and Milan have already formally offered their aid to Bohemia.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:49 am 
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Will there be a game this sunday or is not on?


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:10 am 
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Rosur wrote:
Will there be a game this sunday or is not on?


p. sure game is not on.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:44 am 
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so what exactly is bohemia doing?


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:59 am 
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No idea, with all the furore is it even my decision to make?


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:54 am 
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considering Austria and I basically made you an offer that would fix you, yes.

Bohemia at +3 stab and 100 legitamacy has a 25 dukat monthly income and a 60 dukat yearly income. Both of those should improve (monthly particularly) as some of your nationalist sentiment events wear off (as far as I can tell they occur less frequently at higher stabs). In addition to that if you keep rebel nationalists from occupying provinces your nationalist rr will go down as well. Quite frankly your infamy is barely hurting you at all right now. Your negative stab and piss-poor legitamacy combined with the peasents war is what tanked you.

Basically atm you are pretty weak as Bohemia. But if you survive the next 15 years without getting massively fucked over the majority of your provinces will have 0-5% revolt risk and you'll have a good sized economy on top of that. Since the only other option is Poland (eastern tech group, barely better than bohemia's starting economy as the game begins) and your eventual goal should be to become Prussia (Bohemia already has the saxon provinces needed to culture shift, Poland does not and would take infamy hits doing so) I'd make whatever deal you need to make to safeguard yourself in the short term and stay quiet mid term only taking low-infamy territory.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:22 pm 
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you all suck for not responding.

Also, I think we can remove rule 8, the no DoWing a players vassal. As far as I can tell in 4.2b DoWing a vassal doesn't keep the other vassal/allies of the senior partner from joining in the war. Essentially it's the same as if you declared war on the Senior country except that guarentee's don't apply.

Given that Causus Belli's do not transfer (ie a "conquer XXX" mission on a vassal only gives a CB on that vassal and not it's superior) I think the rule should be removed.


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:15 pm 
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The infamy hits Poland would take from reconquering saxon lands would be p small thanks to Bohemia's lolinfamy, though. But yeah, ultimately it's up to you skrit, nobody can dictate to you what to do (unless selim wants to be ultra insistent with a 'no switching countries' rule, in which case lolselim).

God help you if you switch and fuck up a second country though. :x


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 Post subject: Re: And so it begins
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:21 pm 
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if he failboats poland and bohemia he can always pick up TO. Or whatever north german state eats bohemia.


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